Angling and creating angles thread started by LEMon
Subject:From:LEMon
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 06:49 AM
Lets have a thread on angling and angles coz i believe this is vital to Boxing and MMA. Obviously footwork ties in heavily with this.
I was taught to circle away from the powerhand by my first coach, while using the jab to distract while i angled out to my right (his left against an orthodox) to set up my right hand/cross so i'd hit him almost from the side/45 degree angle.
Now in theory i always worried if this would set my jaw up to be an easier target for his jab (in the same way it was easier for my cross) but in practice i could always land the right hand better in the form of an overhand over his jab thus having better effect.
The Jab seemed invaluable in setting up/opening up angles when used with shifting sideways (lateral) and circling footwork.
My Q is i want to know more about angling and angles......how to set them up with my footwork and how to drill it/develop angles etc. Also how to avoid giving up angles !!
The other Q is i see alot of people have problems keeping their angle long enough because the opponent steps around to rid themselves of the angle.
Thanx guyz i think this hasnt been covered in much details out there (my gym) and in here.
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From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 10:10 AM
I've got quite a few moves that create angles set up saved, I'll post them later.
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From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 02:25 PM
Here ya go LEMon, some nice moves that create angles.
1)While throwing a lead right hand, step a little to the left and forward with your lead foot.
After the punch is thrown pivot on the front foot to your left so that you are right between the other boxers legs.
A pivot works well, forsome others a little jump step to your left will also work.Then you are in perfect position for a straight right hand. Your opponent should be totally off balance. This is from a square stance. The front leg should be straight at the other boxer.
2)Against a jab parry with the left and pivot at the same time. It is a real easy move. Parry with the right and jump step to the right is another move that creates an angle.
3)Some trainers teach that the only time you should punch when the other fighter is punching is when they jab.
Then catch the jab and throw an outside pivot jab to set up a straight right hand so that you are between the other boxers legs. It works very well.
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From:lefthooker
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 02:34 PM
4)Try this, jab stepping forward, as the jab lands step a little further back with your back foot.
Then bring your front foot back to your normal stance.This will increase the distance between you and your opponent. He should not be able to reach you with a jab or a straight right hand. As he steps forward, step diagonally with your front foot and pivot. You should end up between his legs.
Throw the hardest and straightest right hand you can. Don't rush the punch, you should have time to get set.
5)Being in a fairly square stance, catch your opponents jab, at the same time take a diangle step backward. You will be going to the right and backward. You should be able to come back with a quick combination, either start with the jab or straight right hand.
6), try this combination: straight right, bring it back roll your thumb and overthrow a right uppercut and then a left hook. works especially well if you have an angle.
7)Try the moves out first. Have you ever tried using a pivot jab? With your front foot forward straight at your opponent, jab at his right shoulder at the same time push your right foot so you pivot on the left toe.
Your jab will land on his face because he thinks it is coming at his shoulder he won't block it. Then continue with a barrage of rights and hooks. It works better then it sounds.
8)Remember: Don't punch when the other guy is punching, pivot away and take an angle of attack. When both guys punch at the same time it becomes a matter of luck.
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From:e. kaye
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 03:52 PM
Just throw combos and move your feet. Use multiple jabs. It will take at least a three punch combo to cover your footwork so the opponent can't see what you are up to. If you aren't throwing punches you will never change the angles. If you are defending the story is little different. If the opponent is coming in on you, then creating the angles will depend on your ability to parry and move your feet at the same time.
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From:martinburke
Date: 12-Feb-02 | 09:33 PM
Wow.Great thread.
Sometimes I come on here,and I'm struck by how bad I am at trying to communicate with the written word.
I'm more the grunt-and-demonstrate-type in person.More a case of "Watch me.Do it like this.Noo,your other left hand.":) When I read lefthooker's reply,I that realized that I often leave points out,assuming a guy would just naturally fall into the groove.
Like pivots.
Pivots seem a minor point,but they're so important.Stepping to the side and pivots go together like...well,like Tyson's teeth and Lewis' thigh.
Learn to use them,and you'll learn to love them. Not only will they set up angles,but they'll also allow you to expend less energy to get there.
Hat's off to you,lefthooker
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From:lefthooker
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 06:33 AM
I've got a friend who trains amatuer's in new york, we speak by e-mail a lot and discuss boxing tactics and moves, a lot of these came from him.
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From:jerker
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 08:19 AM
what exactly do you do when you pivot? / J
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From:Jeff Rockwell
Date: 13-Feb-02 | 10:55 AM
Here's something I picked up from a guy I met at the outdoor gym at Venice Beach about a year ago. He said he trained a lot with Benny Urquidez. Anyway, his footwork was great and he and I worked this angling combination for a bit - 1. Throw a left jab to the face 2. Throw a right cross, simultaneously taking a circling step to your right 3. Immediately throw a left hook to the body...if you've done it fast enough, should be towards his solar plexus 4. Throw a straight right at his chin. The idea is to get to his side so he has to turn to face you, hit him low to bring his hands down, then clean his clock with the right to the chin. This being said, I don't like the first cross that you throw, it's hard to get any power on it since you're circling right as your throwing it. It works as a distraction, but not much of a shot. So I tried coming up with another combination that fits my body mechanics a little better and allows me to throw power shots every time. This time, I'm going the other direction. I realize I'm circling towards his power hand, but a rule hasn't been made that can't be broken now and then, right? 1. Left jab to the face 2. Step left, hard right to the body 3. Hard left to the body 4. Right hook/overhand to the head 5. Plant hard and straight left cross to the chin
Rarely do you get to throw this many shots in a setup, but the principles are solid - circular/angling footwork as you're entering, changing levels, and punching in combination. Play with it and see what works.
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From:Stickgrappler
Date: 14-Feb-02 | 11:16 AM
check out the kickboxing q&a, there's some stuff posted there also.
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From:LEMon
Date: 15-Feb-02 | 08:18 AM
SWWWWEEET answers guys.
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From:catch24
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 02:23 AM
why dont we continue with angling strategies and set-ups and archive this baby.
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From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 06:36 AM
yo stickgrappler, if there's no mods around to archive this thread, would you like to save it on your site?
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From:LEMon
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 09:50 AM
catch24 is correct please lets conitnue!!
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From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 12:58 PM
LEMon, this thread will be gone very soon, so if you want start a new thread and we'll continue it there.
Subject: RE: INFO
From:lefthooker
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 12:58 PM
LEMon, this thread will be gone very soon, so if you want start a new thread and we'll continue it there.
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From:Stickgrappler
Date: 20-Feb-02 | 01:14 PM
LH, sorry, been busy with work. i have it saved and definitely will be putting to my site. Posted to the Underground forum's Q&A: Boxing.
NOTE: Copied from http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/angling.html and posted on Nov 27, 2013 but backdated to 2/22/02 to mirror my old archives. Page views at the time of copying was 2,538.
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